August
26, 2003
Is There
Such a Thing as a Pitching Prospect?
If
you've read "Baseball Prospectus", you're probably familiar
with their oft-repeated mantra, "There is no such thing as a
pitching prospect" (or TINSTAPP for short.) For years, I
was a firm believer in this philosophy, using valuable farm roster
space for pitchers only when no other choice existed. Through
the first three years of the BDBL's existence, I think I used only
four farm spots for pitchers: Jeff Austin, Wes Anderson, Chin-Hui Tsao
and Jeff Zimmerman. As you can see, my philosophy seems
justified, as only one of those four has produced at the Major League
level so far, and that pitcher (Zimmerman) was drafted after he had
already been a productive reliever at the MLB level for a few months.
Eventually, I began giving in to
temptation, and added top pitching prospects like Brandon Claussen,
Rafael Soriano, Adam Johnson and Dewon Brazelton to my farm, mainly
because I realized that other people valued minor league pitchers more
than I did. It wasn't until this past
year that I began stockpiling prospect arms for the purpose of filling
future Cowtipper rotations, and the main reason for that shift in
philosophy was that my farm was already stacked with position players.
Though my opinion of minor league
pitchers has softened a bit over the years, the TINSTAPP philosophy lives on.
The question is: is there such a thing as a pitching
prospect? I mean, all successful Major League pitchers were
prospects at some point, right? So there must be such a thing,
right?
In an attempt to answer this question, I put together the
following (admittedly crude) study. By no means is this study perfect, but my
goal is merely to shed some light on this subject and maybe learn a
thing or two - not to provide a definitive answer to this question of
the ages.
In order to answer the question, we
first have to ask, "what is a prospect?" For the
purposes of this study, let's say that a "prospect" is a
pitcher that has appeared on Baseball America's annual top 100
prospects list. Now, you and I both know that there are better
prospect evaluators on the market than BBA, but they've done it longer
than anyone else that I know of, and their prospect lists are
available without doing too much research.
In the interest of time, let's focus
on the cream of the crop: those pitchers that ranked among the top 20 by Baseball
America for each year. After all, those guys are about as
"can't miss" as pitching prospects get, right? We'll
touch upon the rest of the list, but I don't have the energy to track
down all the stats for all the pitchers in the top 100. I'm
hoping that's something on which Geisel and Billy can collaborate for
a future article for the web site.
We'll start with 1990 (note: stats are
Major League stats to date):
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Steve Avery |
1 |
1538.2 |
1510 |
713 |
562 |
974 |
4.17 |
Ben McDonald |
2 |
1291.1 |
1186 |
561 |
437 |
894 |
3.91 |
Kiki Jones |
6 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Darryl Kile |
11 |
2165.0 |
2135 |
992 |
918 |
1668 |
4.12 |
Willie Banks |
13 |
610.1 |
632 |
322 |
302 |
428 |
4.75 |
Mike Harkey |
14 |
656.0 |
720 |
327 |
225 |
316 |
4.49 |
Roger Salkeld |
16 |
189.1 |
203 |
118 |
103 |
141 |
5.61 |
Mike Stanton |
18 |
862.0 |
819 |
365 |
323 |
715 |
3.81 |
Pat Combs |
20 |
305 |
299 |
143 |
147 |
190 |
4.22 |
Total |
7618 |
7504 |
3541 |
3017 |
5326 |
4.18 |
Overall, this group is pretty much
league-average in terms of the early-to-mid '90's. At their
peaks, Avery and Kile were all-star-caliber pitchers, and Stanton
continues to enjoy a solid career as a middle relief LOOGY. Of
these nine pitchers, however, more than half (five) had horribly
disappointing careers.
Even the success stories weren't all
that successful. McDonald enjoyed one and a half good years,
peaked at age 26, then dropped out of baseball at the tender age of
30. Avery burst onto the scene at 21, enjoyed three quality
years, then declined steadily each year after that and eventually
disappeared from sight at age 29. And Kile, of course, died a
tragic death at age 34. Of this class, he was by far the most
successful.
Of the pitchers listed outside of the
top-20, there were plenty of duds (Rafael Valdez, Narciso Elvira, John
Ericks, Johnny Ard, Willie Smith, Dennis Burlingame, Julio Valera),
and some mildly successful MLB pitchers (Wilson Alvarez, Charles Nagy,
Mel Rojas, Brian Bohanon), but you have to dig all the way down to #86
(Kevin Appier) before you reach all-star gold.
Now, let's take a look at the Class
of '91:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Todd Van
Poppel |
1 |
743.1 |
757 |
454 |
414 |
605 |
5.50 |
Roger Salkeld |
5 |
189.1 |
203 |
118 |
103 |
141 |
5.61 |
Arthur
Rhodes |
6 |
874.2 |
759 |
421 |
386 |
859 |
4.33 |
Willie Banks |
13 |
610.1 |
632 |
322 |
302 |
428 |
4.75 |
Rich
Garces |
16 |
341.1 |
290 |
142 |
164 |
296 |
4.75 |
Mike
Mussina |
19 |
2632.1 |
2454 |
1029 |
588 |
2095 |
3.52 |
Total |
5391.1 |
5095 |
2486 |
1957 |
4424 |
4.15 |
The class of '91 includes one
future Hall-of-Famer (Mussina) and one pitcher that has enjoyed a good deal of
success as a middle reliever (Rhodes). Van Poppel and Garces have also
enjoyed a season or two of worthwhile production in middle relief
(though it took years of disappointment before they reached that
level.) For the most part, Van Poppel's
career has been a spectacular failure, as has Salkeld's and Banks's.
Though Garces reached cult figure status in Boston, it would be tough
to classify his career as a success story.
Outside of the top-20, Kurt Miller,
Kirk Dressendorfer, Pete Schourek, Kile, Rafael Valdez, Steve Karsay
and Jamie McAndrew round out the top 40. It's interesting to
note that the best pitcher from the Class of '90 fell in the BBA
rankings from #11 to #34 the following year. There are no other
all-star caliber pitchers listed in the bottom 60.
Onto the Class of '92:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Brien Taylor |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Todd Van Poppel |
2 |
743.1 |
757 |
454 |
414 |
605 |
5.50 |
Roger Salkeld |
3 |
189.1 |
203 |
118 |
103 |
141 |
5.61 |
Arthur
Rhodes |
5 |
874.2 |
759 |
421 |
386 |
859 |
4.33 |
Frankie Rodriguez |
9 |
654.0 |
737 |
402 |
282 |
371 |
5.53 |
Pedro Martinez |
10 |
2036.0 |
1519 |
588 |
546 |
2382 |
2.60 |
Mark Wohlers |
13 |
553.1 |
490 |
244 |
272 |
557 |
3.97 |
Kurt Miller |
14 |
80.2 |
104 |
67 |
50 |
55 |
7.48 |
Tyrone Hill |
20 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Total |
5131.1 |
4569 |
2294 |
2053 |
4970 |
4.02 |
The big fish here, of course, is
Pedro. But just look at the rest of that list. Aside from
Rhodes and Wohlers, there's not one pitcher here who went on to become
a useful big league pitcher. Once again, Van Poppel turned in a couple of
useful seasons of middle relief, but only after he'd flamed out in
spectacular fashion. BBA listed three pitchers as the top three
prospects in baseball in 1992 and all three became major
disappointments. That's not an indictment against BBA so much as
it is an indictment against pitching prospects.
In the remainder of the top 100,
there are a couple of good relievers (Troy Percival at #38 and Roberto
Hernandez at #45), but other than that, not much to write home about.
The Class of '93:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Brien Taylor |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Todd Van Poppel |
7 |
743.1 |
757 |
454 |
414 |
605 |
5.50 |
Jason Bere |
8 |
1111.0 |
1095 |
634 |
626 |
920 |
5.14 |
Allen Watson |
9 |
892.0 |
979 |
499 |
351 |
589 |
5.03 |
Tyrone Hill |
10 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Kurt Miller |
11 |
80.2 |
104 |
67 |
50 |
55 |
7.48 |
Tavo Alvarez |
17 |
58.1 |
65 |
35 |
26 |
26 |
5.40 |
Brad Pennington |
18 |
75.2 |
67 |
59 |
89 |
83 |
4.64 |
Total |
2961.0 |
3067 |
1748 |
1556 |
2278 |
5.31 |
Wow. What an awful, awful list
of pitchers. I suppose you could call Bere a success, as he's
somehow managed to rack up over 1,000 big league innings. But
with a career ERA over 5.00, it really has to make you wonder how he's
kept his job for so long. Two of these eight never pitched an
inning in a big league uni, and five of the eight failed to pitch 100
innings in the big leagues. Not good.
Again, the rest of the list includes
some good relievers (Percival, Todd Jones, Alan Embree and Karsay),
but once again the best pitcher on the previous year's list dropped in
the rankings, as Pedro Martinez fell from #10 all the way down to
#62. Derek Lowe also appears on the 1993 list (at #70), but
otherwise there are no success stories to be found in the top 100.
Class of 1994:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
James Baldwin |
8 |
1260.0 |
1376 |
703 |
465 |
814 |
5.02 |
Jose Silva |
10 |
427.1 |
507 |
257 |
154 |
298 |
5.41 |
Darren Dreifort |
11 |
822.0 |
783 |
398 |
353 |
739 |
4.36 |
Steve Karsay |
12 |
565.2 |
582 |
244 |
187 |
435 |
3.88 |
Chan Ho Park |
14 |
1359.0 |
1189 |
618 |
663 |
1235 |
4.09 |
Brien Taylor |
18 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Jeff Granger |
19 |
31.2 |
47 |
32 |
26 |
19 |
9.09 |
Total |
4465.2 |
4484 |
2252 |
1848 |
3540 |
4.54 |
Five of the seven pitchers listed
here are still pitching in the big leagues nine years later, so based
on that alone, the Class of '94 could be categorized as a rousing
success. Park has been a
star, with about four and a half good years on his resumé.
Karsay has enjoyed four good years as a middle reliever, though it
took him five years of failure as a starter before he found his
niche. Dreifort has never reached that #1 status that many
(including I) envisioned when he began his career, but when healthy,
he's been a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy.
Outside of the top 20, Lowe is listed
at #63, Armando Benitez is at #71, and Billy Wagner is at #78.
That's about as exciting as it gets.
Class of 1995:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Armando
Benitez |
11 |
577.2 |
389 |
194 |
308 |
756 |
3.02 |
Bill
Pulsipher |
12 |
323.0 |
356 |
184 |
139 |
201 |
5.13 |
Alan
Benes |
14 |
470.2 |
456 |
231 |
206 |
381 |
4.42 |
Antonio
Osuna |
15 |
438.2 |
375 |
172 |
188 |
455 |
3.53 |
Paul
Wilson |
16 |
700.2 |
755 |
376 |
249 |
467 |
4.83 |
Billy
Wagner |
17 |
487.1 |
323 |
139 |
186 |
680 |
2.57 |
Dustin
Hermanson |
18 |
1072.0 |
1084 |
511 |
393 |
720 |
4.29 |
Doug
Million |
19 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Total |
4070 |
3738 |
1807 |
1669 |
3660 |
4.00 |
The Class of '95 is filled with
quality relievers. There are seven pitchers in the top 20 with
at least 300 Major League innings, which is better than any of the
previous classes. Oddly enough, this is the first BBA top-100
class without any pitcher ranked in the top ten. (Maybe we're
onto something!)
The bottom 80 contains even more
quality relievers (Ugueth Urbina, Latroy Hawkins and Paul Shuey.)
Park fell from #14 to #41 (I think I see a pattern here), and Jason
Schmidt (#41), Andy Pettitte (#49) and Jeff Suppan (#50) all appear in
the top 50. The top 50 also includes the likes of Brian Barber,
Julio Santana, Jim Pittsley, Frankie Rodriguez, Silva and Scott
Ruffcorn.
The Class of 1996:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Paul
Wilson |
2 |
700.2 |
755 |
376 |
249 |
467 |
4.83 |
Alan
Benes |
5 |
470.2 |
456 |
231 |
206 |
381 |
4.42 |
Livan
Hernandez |
8 |
1401.0 |
1507 |
658 |
490 |
953 |
4.23 |
Jason
Schmidt |
11 |
1298.1 |
1251 |
589 |
516 |
1088 |
4.08 |
Matt
Drews |
12 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Billy
Wagner |
14 |
487.1 |
323 |
139 |
186 |
680 |
2.57 |
Bartolo
Colon |
15 |
1333.2 |
1277 |
579 |
512 |
1090 |
3.91 |
Kerry
Wood |
16 |
859.2 |
651 |
359 |
444 |
1007 |
3.76 |
Chan Ho Park |
18 |
1359.0 |
1189 |
618 |
663 |
1235 |
4.09 |
Rocky
Coppinger |
19 |
241.2 |
247 |
147 |
140 |
210 |
5.47 |
Total |
8152 |
7656 |
3696 |
3406 |
7111 |
4.08 |
Either Baseball America is getting
better at identifying good pitching prospects or 1996 was just an
outstanding year for young pitching. Eight of the top ten
pitchers on the BBA list has logged more than 300 MLB IP - by far, the
best so far. Four of these pitchers have racked up more than
1,000 IP, which is pretty amazing. And six of these ten have
enjoyed at least one all-star season. If you were to have built
a BDBL pitching staff based solely upon the recommendations of
Baseball America, you'd be sitting pretty right now.
The remainder of the top 100 is
filled with #4 and #5 starters like Jeff Suppan, Jeff D'Amico, Shawn
Estes, Scott Elarton, Glendon Rusch and Chris Carpenter. Matt
Morris also makes his top-100 debut at #56. It's also filled
with the likes of Pittsley, Jaret Wright, Marty Janzen and Andy Yount
(and that's just in the top 50.)
The Class of 1997:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Kerry
Wood |
3 |
859.2 |
651 |
359 |
444 |
1007 |
3.76 |
Matt
White |
4 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Kris
Benson |
8 |
649.2 |
669 |
308 |
255 |
470 |
4.27 |
Bartolo
Colon |
14 |
1333.2 |
1277 |
579 |
512 |
1090 |
3.91 |
Carl
Pavano |
17 |
162.2 |
164 |
77 |
37 |
106 |
4.26 |
Total |
3005.2 |
2761 |
1323 |
1248 |
2673 |
3.96 |
One year after the biggest
pitching prospect bounty to date, and Baseball America listed fewer
pitchers in the top 20 than in any previous year. Wood,
Benson and Colon have been studs, while Pavano has been a
disappointment and White has been nonexistent. All in all, three
out of five is outstanding.
The next 20 are almost as impressive
as the top 20, with Roy Halladay (#23) and Morris (#25) checking in
among the top 25. Jarrod Washburn checks in at #66. The
rest of the list is filled with the usual assortment of #4 starters (Suppan,
Brett Tomko, Chris Reitsma, Kelvim Escobar, Sidney Ponson), quality
relievers (Braden Looper, Billy Koch, Vladimir Nunez) and complete
busts (Mike Drumright, Kevin McGlinchy, Joe Fontenot, Seth Greisinger,
Rafael Medina and Bobby Seay to name but a few.) Interestingly, Livan
Hernandez tumbled all the way from #8 to #100!
The Class of 1998:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Kerry
Wood |
4 |
859.2 |
651 |
359 |
444 |
1007 |
3.76 |
Matt
White |
6 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Kris
Benson |
7 |
649.2 |
669 |
308 |
255 |
470 |
4.27 |
Carl
Pavano |
9 |
162.2 |
164 |
77 |
37 |
106 |
4.26 |
Matt
Clement |
16 |
938.0 |
870 |
468 |
453 |
810 |
4.49 |
Rick
Ankiel |
18 |
232.0 |
188 |
99 |
129 |
260 |
3.84 |
Total |
2842 |
2542 |
1311 |
1318 |
2653 |
4.15 |
The top three pitchers in the Class
of '98 are the same top three from the Class of '97. Of the
newcomers to the top 20, Clement seems to be turning into a solid #1
or #2 starter, while Ankiel's troubles since his stellar rookie year
have been well documented.
Eric Milton and Halladay are two
success stories that appear in the top 50. The rest of the top
100 is highlighted by Shawn Chacon, Washburn, Roberto Hernandez, Ramon
Ortiz, Wade Miller, Ponson, Gil Meche and Javier Vazquez. Of
course, for every success there is a failure (Brian Rose, Ryan
Anderson, Matt Anderson, Bruce Chen, Scott Elarton, Grant Roberts,
Luis Rivera, Willie Martinez, Jason Grilli, etc., etc..)
Class of 1999:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Rick
Ankiel |
2 |
232.0 |
188 |
99 |
129 |
260 |
3.84 |
Bruce
Chen |
4 |
429.0 |
408 |
216 |
184 |
380 |
4.53 |
Brad
Penny |
5 |
617.2 |
613 |
289 |
212 |
444 |
4.21 |
Ryan
Anderson |
7 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Matt
Clement |
10 |
938.0 |
870 |
468 |
453 |
810 |
4.49 |
Roy
Halladay |
12 |
783.1 |
803 |
345 |
236 |
558 |
3.96 |
John
Patterson |
15 |
72.1 |
75 |
43 |
31 |
61 |
5.35 |
Matt
Riley |
20 |
11.0 |
17 |
9 |
13 |
6 |
7.36 |
Total |
3083 |
2974 |
1469 |
1258 |
2519 |
4.29 |
Of this list, only Penny, Clement and
Halladay have enjoyed some success for more than one season.
Anderson and Riley have been monumental failures, while Patterson is
still trying to overcome injuries. Chen was useful for about
half a season, and may still be useful some day as a LOOGY. All
in all, not a great success rate for the Class of '99.
A.J. Burnett just missed the top 20
at #21, and would have made the whole group look a little better
(though he, too, must overcome injuries to have any sort of
future.) Mark Mulder (#27), Odalis Perez (#31), Billy Koch
(#33), Octavio Dotel (#45), Jeff Weaver (#51), Kris Benson (#59), Ted
Lilly (#66), Gil Meche (#78), Wade Miller (#80), Randy Wolf (#96) and
Scott Williamson (#97) fill out the top 100, which leads me to believe
that this class really wasn't bad at all - Baseball America just got
the order wrong.
While Weaver, Benson, Lilly, Meche,
Miller, Wolf and Williamson all missed the top 50, Ryan Bradley, Matt
White, Rob Bell, Chad Hutchinson and Jason Grilli all made it.
Class of 2000:
Pitcher |
Rank |
IP |
H |
ER |
BB |
K |
ERA |
Rick
Ankiel |
1 |
232.0 |
188 |
99 |
129 |
260 |
3.84 |
Ryan
Anderson |
9 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
John
Patterson |
10 |
72.1 |
75 |
43 |
31 |
61 |
5.35 |
Mark
Mulder |
12 |
777.1 |
767 |
326 |
215 |
528 |
3.77 |
Kip
Wells |
14 |
615.1 |
637 |
296 |
267 |
445 |
4.33 |
Matt
Riley |
15 |
11.0 |
17 |
9 |
13 |
6 |
7.36 |
Josh
Beckett |
19 |
232.0 |
207 |
91 |
92 |
242 |
3.53 |
A.J.
Burnett |
20 |
524.2 |
433 |
225 |
260 |
442 |
3.86 |
Total |
2464.2 |
2324 |
1089 |
1007 |
1984 |
3.98 |
This is the last class I'll review,
as we're now getting into recent history that will be too difficult to
judge. Despite the recentness of this list, it is impressive
that three of the top eight have racked up over 500 innings
already. Mulder is obviously the jewel of this list, and Wells
and Burnett have established themselves as solid #3/#4 starters.
Beckett could be an ace in the making, though he'll have to overcome
the abuse of his manager and pitching coach in order to do so.
Anderson and Riley are the only two real duds on this list, as Ankiel
at least gave us one all-star caliber year before he burst into
flames, and
Patterson still has promise of becoming a good pitcher some time in
the near future.
The rest of the top 100 is a mixture
of the good, the bad and the ugly: Penny, Tony Armas, Francisco
Cordero, Wes Anderson, Jon Garland, Barry Zito (#41), Chad Hutchinson,
Eric Gagne, Brad Baisley, Wascar Serrano, C.C. Sabathia, Kurt
Ainsworth, Rob Bell, Aaron Myette, Adam Eaton, Ben Sheets, Miller,
Bung-Hole Kim, Orber Moreno, Jason Jennings and Tim Drew.
So, what have we learned? Let's
start by adding together all the totals. The average pitcher
ranked in the top 20 by Baseball America from 1990-2000 looks
something like this:
Joe Prospect: 585.2 IP, 8.5 H/9,
3.7 BB/9, 7.5 K/9, 4.20 ERA
That's not bad (probably your average
#3 starter), but probably not what you'd expect
from a top 20 prospect. Of the 84 pitchers listed among the top
20 by BBA over those years, 12 (14%) didn't throw a single Major
League inning, and 26 (31%) own a career big league ERA of at least
4.75.
So, in other words, if you take any
pitcher at random from BBA's top 20 prospects list between 1990-2000,
there is about a 50/50 chance (actually 45/55) that that pitcher will
become completely useless.
On the flip side, there's about a 40%
chance that your random pitcher will enjoy at least one all-star
season, and about a 12% chance that your random pitcher will be Darryl
Kile, Pedro Martinz, Mark Mulder, Mike Mussina, Roy Halladay, Kerry
Wood or Bartolo Colon.
Call me crazy (which you all often do
anyway), but I'd take those odds. Of course, you can shift the
odds in your favor even more by doing a little research and compiling
your own top prospect list that may likely do a better job of
predicting future ability than Baseball America's list.
The value of having an all-star
player making minimum-wage (or well below market value) cannot be
underestimated. And with
the new wrinkle added to our auction (where players earning more than
$5 million must be signed), all-star pitchers that make less than
minimum wage are as good as gold.
I've changed my thinking when it
comes to pitching prospects (as evidenced by my current roster.)
There is such a thing as a pitching prospect. You just have to
accept that the chances of any pitching prospect becoming a useful
member of your roster is a completely random flip of the coin.
Chances are, you will get stuck with a dud (or two, or three, or
four...) But if you stockpile enough
pitching prospects, you could easily find yourself holding the
rights to the next $100,000 Pedro Martinez. And how great would
that be?
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